The Herbie Overflow Method is a simple, proven plumbing setup that’s been around for many years. At it’s most basic, it consists of 2 standpipes in an overflow; a main drain regulated by a valve, and an unrestricted “emergency standpipe”.
The setup enables you to:
- Run a completely silent drain from the overflow to the sump below
- Have it be completely fail-safe from possible flooding with proper design and maintenance.
It is the simplest plumbing method that accomplishes both of these things.
The method was popularized by a Reefcentral.com thread started by a forum member “Herbie” around 2004. As people started using the method on their tanks, many forum threads started and there are literally hundreds of posts out there about it. The difficulty lies not in the method itself, but in sifting through all those bits and pieces of info just to figure it out.
About this guide and a heads up
This guide explains the regular operation, each component of the design, and gives tips along the way. For the sake of simplicity, all of the content and diagrams describe the most simple and conventional Herbie setup, — an overflow box with standpipes coming in through the bottom. In some cases the pipes will have to pass through the side of the tank, but the mechanics of everything will be the same.
You should be aware that:
- It is not completely a “set-it-and-forget-it” method… It needs to be regularly inspected and properly maintained. See Best Practices
- There are all kinds of people out there who run the system in one form or another, and they all have a slightly different opinion on how they think things should be done. I am only one of these people. the most important thing is to understand your own setup. You can choose to do things differently with certain parts of the design, but try to be aware of any risks you may be opening yourself up to when you do so.
- There is another similar method called the “Beananimal” drain (also named for it’s creator) which is slightly more complicated in design and uses 3 standpipes vs. only 2. It’s generally only used on custom tanks over 150 gallons because of it’s larger physical footprint and more intricate setup work involved compared to the Herbie. This guide won’t attempt to debate the pros and cons of both methods, although the Beananimal system does have the advantage of the extra “dry emergency” drain which provides another redundant safety measure.
The Siphon that makes the Herbie work
Any time you have air and water flowing through the same drain, you’ll get noise. This is the main shortfall of single-pipe-drain methods like the Durso and it’s siblings. A siphon drain has much more flow capacity because air never runs through the pipes once it gets going.
The way the siphon on the Herbie is achieved is by manually constricting flow on the shorter main drain with a finely-adjustable valve. Once the air is purged from the line and the siphon is fully engaged, it continues to run this way 24 hours per day until something interrupts flow like the return pump being shut off.
Adjustment of the Valve
To begin, the valve is opened all the way — then slowly closed off until the siphon is achieved. Fine adjustments are then made until the flow of the siphon closely matches the amount of water being returned to the tank, which will stabilize the water level in the overflow. Although possible, perfectly balancing the water level until it remains totally static is both difficult and unnecessary (mostly just annoying). Even if you do manage to get it stable, slight variations in the system such as changes in resistance of water through the plumbing will inherently change the rate of flow over hours or days. For example, the growth of slime in the pipes.
Simply by allowing a very slight trickle of water to enter through the emergency standpipe at all times, the system does not require perfect adjustment and the siphon will re-start on it’s own more easily (such as after an interruption in the return pump’s operation). We are talking a trickle here — just enough to negate the need for constant fiddling, but still allowing the emergency drain ample capacity if needed.
To accomplish this you simply use the valve to balance the water level in the overflow box, then just close it off a little more — which will cause it to rise very slowly in the overflow and come to rest at the level of the emergency standpipe.
If you run your Herbie with a slight trickle of water flowing down the emergency pipe, you:
- Eliminate the need for constant adjustment
- Keep the operating water level up at the top of the overflow box, so as water passes over the walls of the overflow it won’t splash and create noise
- Prevent any surface scum from accumulating in your overflow
Let’s Pause Here… For the sake of discussion, I’ll mention there are some people who think that running a dry pipe that never touches water is the only way it should be done. Obviously I think it is a safe practice to run a trickle down the emergency drain if you safeguard your valve and maintain your system. I wanted this guide to be just about explaining the basics vs. debating different opinions, so that subject is in a separate post here: Herbie Overflow Emergency Line – Running Wet vs. Dry
Due to the need for fine levels of adjustment, installing a quality valve is suggested.
– Going with this valve will allow easy, precise adjustments to be made. The “Spears” gate valve (shown) can be taken apart and is regarded as the best available option.
The higher quality ones have a smooth opening/closing action, and built in unions which are an advantage. A “Single Union Ball Valve” or “True Union Ball Valve” are the only ones that should be used. They are cheaper and easier to find than gate valves. The common “Straight Ball Valve” should be avoided.
Even a quality valve will tend to start to get sticky and eventually seize up after months or years in a high-calcium saltwater tank. To remedy this it’s a good practice to detach your valve and get rid of any deposits. Soaking the valve in vinegar works well.
Thinking Ahead – If the valve doesn’t have a union built in — one should be installed close to it between the valve and the bulkhead so you can easily detach your hoses and get to the valve assembly with relative ease.
Main Siphon Standpipe Height
This can potentially trip you up if you haven’t set up the method before. The main valve standpipe will work at almost any height you make it as long as its lower than the emergency standpipe. However this is true only to an extent (see below).
Help the Siphon get going on it’s own — by having the height of your main valve standpipe about 6″ lower than the operating water level of the overflow, usually the height of the emergency standpipe.
6″ is a general rule — this of course depends on the size volume of the overflow on your specific tank. This is something you can try out on your own, don’t glue anything yet. This is also a guide based on an overflow that is at least 12″ high.
A sufficient volume of water above the main standpipe does 2 things. — it prevents air from sucking in, and allows the force of gravity to push the air already in the line down into the sump. This will make the line go back to silent operation faster.
If you forgo the raised main standpipe (such as on the right of pic above) it will take the guess work out of it, just be warned that ALL the water in the overflow will drain into the sump when you shut off your return pump.
This drain is what makes the system fail-safe in the event of the main valve standpipe getting clogged. It should be designed simply as a straight, unrestricted pipe going down into the sump and into the water.
You want the emergency to have max capacity, so most people leave it open and don’t use a strainer on the opening. Also, don’t install a valve on this line — just don’t…no good can come of it.
The emergency standpipe’s height should be about ½” to 1” below the bottom of the teeth of the overflow.
Starting and Stopping
When the return pump is turned on, and water starts passing over the walls of the overflow again, the Herbie siphon should start up again with no manual adjustment. While this is happening, you may observe a temporary increase in water going down the emergency standpipe. This should only go on for a minute or so until all the air inside the main valve standpipe exits through the end that’s down in the sump. The siphon will then go back to taking the full capacity it was adjusted for.
Under the tank
Both drain outlets should run down from the overflow into the sump below. In the case of the siphon drain, the outlet must be submerged so that air can purge from the line while the siphon action starts. It should extend into the water by no more than 1-2 inches. Submerged depth of the pipe for the emergency line doesn’t matter but it should also be underwater to limit noise and splashing.
While not as important for the emergency drain, the main siphon drain should be run straight as reasonably possible downwards into the sump, as any horizontal runs will make it more difficult for all the air inside the line to exit the pipe down in the sump or even trap air in some cases.
It is also important to note that you should not attempt to Tee off either drain, as it will most likely interfere with the siphon operation, capacity of the emergency drain or cause other problems.
When the return pump is shut off, the water inside the overflow will drain and come to rest at the level of the main valve standpipe. Depending on how much water volume this is, it will drain to the sump all at once – so make sure it can accommodate the extra water.
Best Practices for a problem-free Overflow Box
Doing these things will make it less likely that you will experience a clog on the main siphon.
Use a Strainer
Install a Strainer on the Main Valve Standpipe. This will keep any debris, small snails or algae clumps from interfering with the valve and choking off the drain. There are different strainers out there, obviously a finer one will protect better but clog with junk faster. You should get in the habit of visually inspecting it’s condition when you observe and check on your tank and clean it as necessary to maintain consistent flow. After all, you want it to prevent clogs and not be the source of one.
You might be thinking, “I don’t need no stupid strainer” — YES YOU DO!
With the nature of how fast a full-siphon moves water at full tilt, you’ll find that you’ll most likely be closing off the valve in excess of 50% shut, which in turn makes it more susceptible to being clogged by an object. Having a strainer in place is the last line of defense before your main drain clogs.
Quick tip – keep more than one: If you have a clean strainer at the ready, you can easily swap out the old one without having to shut anything down. This also makes it less likely you’ll forget to put it back on. Dirty ones can be cleaned with a stiff brush in the sink.
Cover Your Overflow Box
A cover that prevents livestock in the tank from jumping or crawling into the overflow is also a good idea to further protect the valve, and can also help to limit algae growth inside. It’s also a real pain if a fish gets in there and you have to awkwardly net it out. These are usually a DIY deal that is made from acrylic or nylon mesh material.
Visual Inspection of the System
You might want to place your overflow in such a way that you can easily look into the box. You want to know:
- Is the water level where it should be?
- What is the condition of the strainer? Does it need cleaned?
- Is there any debris or livestock in the box?
Other Considerations in your System
Is my tank the right size for this method?
The method is limited to tanks that are able to be drilled and mounted with bulkheads. Starting at about 40 gallons, aquariums will have at least ¼” glass, which is considered the minimum to properly drill. This is because bulkheads and fittings place lateral weight and forces on the glass — so it needs to be of sufficient thickness to withstand them. Don’t risk having a future catastrophe later on by drilling a tank that is too small for the method. As always, check to make sure the glass you are drilling is not tempered. There are many videos on drilling glass on YouTube and it is fairly easy to do with diamond hole saw bit.
Size of plumbing
There is a general consensus that the Herbie method should never use less than 1″ pipe for plumbing, no matter what size tank. You want to be 100% sure that your single emergency drain is completely capable of handling all the flow that the return pump can throw at it in the unlikely event of total clogging of the main drain.
If your tank came pre-drilled with 2 holes in the overflow as in a lot of older “reef-ready” tanks, use the one with a larger diameter (usually 1″) for your emergency and the smaller diameter one for the main siphon drain. Keep in mind that your flow will be drastically reduced on smaller size pipe.
For systems where return pump flow is up to around 330 gallons an hour, running a 1″ emergency line will be sufficient. For tanks above about 90 gallons you may want to bump-up your plumbing size to 1.5” or 2” in diameter. These can handle way more flow.
***While a full siphon in a 1″ pipe can move over 1500 GPH, a single 1″ line that is simply draining (in that siphon action has not yet engaged) can safely handle around 330 GPH. There is more to the discussion of plumbing size that is not in the scope of this guide. Bigger is better with plumbing size. Here is a link about pipe diameters and flow. Myth of the One Inch Beast
The trend in the last few years is to use efficient powerheads to create high flow in the tank, while running a moderate amount of flow through the sump. This means you can run a smaller, quieter return pump and not push the capabilities of your overflow design as much which is a smart strategy.
Return pump plumbing
The return pump also plays a part in the operation of the overflow and in short, simple is better.
The system will work best if the return rate is kept as consistent as possible, and not allowed to fluctuate from day-to-day.
In order to use less pumps or save money, a common practice in sump plumbing is to to tee off the return line above the pump in order to do things like feed a refugium, skimmer, or run media reactors. This allows your return pump to perform multiple duties, but is less than ideal with a siphon-based overflow method.
For example, if the return pump is tee’d off and also feeding a media reactor in the sump, then variations in water flow will start to happen. Water resistance inside the reactor will slowly change as the media becomes dirty or becomes depleted. This will in turn change the rate of flow being pushed up to the display, and the overflow will need to be readjusted as a result. The more complexity you add into the plumbing of the return line, the more potential there is for these variations to affect the overflow.
In order to not have to fiddle with adjustment of the Herbie valve very often, it is beneficial for the return pump to have pushing water up to the display tank as it’s only job.
Assembly and Gluing
Your plumbing fittings inside the overflow can generally be fit & threaded together and don’t need to be glued as there is no risk of leaking. This will also allow you to make changes as you initially test out the system by trying various pipe lengths. On the exterior of the tank, fittings and pipe should absolutely be glued with PVC primer and glue (available at any hardware store). Installing unions between the outside of the bulkheads and the plumbing lines/valve is a good idea and allows for the hoses to be removed for cleaning or if you have to move the tank.
Quick tip: When cutting your PVC, use a chisel or other sharp tool to bore out the inside edges of each section of hard PVC. This will make the system run quieter because water is less likely to roll inside the plumbing and create noise.
Testing the system
Always test out your system by closing off the main drain valve completely… to confirm that the emergency drain can handle what your return pump is pumping up to the tank with ease. If the diameter of the emergency drain pipe is sufficient — then there will be no problem. This is good to do every 6 months or so just to be sure everything is working as it should. These things are better to find out in the garage than in the living room. Also, test that you have enough sump capacity by turning off the return pump and watch as the water from the overflow box drains into the sump without overflowing it. As long as it passes these tests then you are ready to go.
One Final Note
Ultimately you are responsible for your own tank and your own property — there is the potential for water damage that comes from owning any aquarium. As I have said earlier, the most important thing is to understand how your own system is set up. Learn as much as you can and don’t cut corners.
About this Page
While my original post was written in June 2012, it has grown into a full guide. I have made several edits to clarify some of the concepts and added a few sections based on some if the comments left below and various forum threads linking here. Thanks to those who have participated in the discussion. Please write your questions or comments in the comments below and I will do my best to answer them.